Care Without the Wait: Rethinking Access to Healthcare

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Tom Haederle
Welcome to advancing health. Healthcare and the state of medicine in general has made remarkable progress across many fronts in the past couple of decades. Delivering to patients on all that potential and promise is a separate challenge, one that Jefferson Health is tackling head on.

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Chris DeRienzo, M.D.
Thank you, everyone, for joining us on another episode of Advancing Health. I'm Dr. Chris DeRienzo, AHA's chief physician executive, and today I get to talk to someone I have known for 20 years. We were kids together in medicine way back in the day. Today, he's the president of Jefferson Health. Baligh, thank you so much for joining the podcast.

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Baligh Yehia, M.D.
Thanks, Chris. It's great to be with you and good to see you again.

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Chris DeRienzo, M.D.
Always, my friend. We know that Jefferson Health has gone through a lot of evolution in the past few years. I want to start by asking you to tell us a little bit about the various communities that you serve and about Jefferson Health.

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Baligh Yehia, M.D.
Jefferson is going through a lot of changes, but it's been around for more than 200 years. And the exciting parts about Jefferson are we bring together 200 plus year university, medical college, nursing, all the health professions, as well as a really robust undergrad program with the health system that's now 33 hospitals across eastern PA and southern new Jersey, and a health plan with more than 400,000 covered lives, primarily in Medicaid, Medicare Advantage, and ACA.

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Baligh Yehia, M.D.
And that's the special thing about Jefferson and why I love the work that we do, is really how do you connect the academic and research mission with the clinical care and also the payer side. And it creates for unique opportunities. Just last year, we hired about a thousand individuals that graduated from our university into the health care system. Pipeline programs, whether it's nursing or pharmacy or all kinds of different technologists, being able to actually train at the university and then be able to work in the health system is a great way to keep people in the community and also to provide upward mobility.

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Baligh Yehia, M.D.
And then similarly, on the health plan side, we overlap on thousands and thousands of patients and thinking about how we can deliver a better care in the context of value. And that stuff is really, really exciting. It's that intersectionality between those three different areas where we see some uniqueness that maybe isn't seen in other health care systems.

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Chris DeRienzo, M.D.
We know that with that kind of great opportunities, there are also challenges that health systems face. It is not an easy operating environment, and especially as a health system that is growing and is continuing to integrate across all of your operating areas and the communities that you serve. What would you tell listeners are some of the biggest challenges that you, as the president of that health system, are trying to solve today?

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Baligh Yehia, M.D.
You know, for us, there's probably a few that come top of mind. I think health care is changing very rapidly in some ways amazingly exciting. When you think about the type of therapies that are coming down the pike, when you look at immunotherapies, gene therapies, things that we weren't even thinking were possible 5 or 10 years ago. You know, we're doing treatments for sickle cell disease that if you've ever taken care of someone or had it yourself, very challenging, hard condition.

00:03:21:09 - 00:03:49:17
Baligh Yehia, M.D.
And now there's a way that you can actually live without having any of those complications. I mean, that's pretty amazing. Very different than when I trained as a resident. Similarly, all the technology changes that are happening. So there's that context of how do we adapt to changing technologies and changing therapies. But across that is really this bigger and bigger divide between what it costs to deliver care and then what you get paid to deliver that care.

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Baligh Yehia, M.D.
And that's what I see in general as one of our biggest challenges, particularly in Pennsylvania and in southern new Jersey, where, you know, our imperative is deliver high quality, high value care. But every day it seems like there's different type of policies coming out from payers. It seems like there's a lot of challenges from pharmaceutical companies for different programs.

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Baligh Yehia, M.D.
And, you know, that's one of the things that I think a lot about is how do we make sure that we close that gap between what it takes to make sure that we deliver exceptional care and take care of our employees and support the communities, while at the same time knowing that there's revenue issues that come from both federal, state and commercial payers.

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Chris DeRienzo, M.D.
It's certainly a challenge that's faced in Pennsylvania and in in health systems across the country. You described a multi-part mission given Jefferson Health's academic mission, your research mission, your community mission. We had conversations with a few other physician leaders a couple of months ago, actually, about how to bridge those massive novel innovations on the research side. Gene editing therapies with the functional challenge of implementing in largely a community health system, because while we have these academic centers, most of health care is delivered in community hospitals and in practices across the country.

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Chris DeRienzo, M.D.
So given the footprint that you described and the impressive amount of infrastructure that Jefferson has, what are you doing to meet that? The challenge not only of ensuring sustainability of operations, especially in communities that otherwise may not have access to care, but also to bring that leading edge innovation as far out to people across the states that you serve.

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Baligh Yehia, M.D.
You know, I think that's like a critical question. And, you know, at the heart of it, it comes down to access. And here at Jefferson Health, we have a bold goal to be the most accessible system in our region and ultimately in the country. And when you think about our footprint of hospitals and clinics, as I mentioned there's 33 of them, but we don't do every service at every single location.

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Baligh Yehia, M.D.
And so then the question becomes, how do you reach people in rural communities, which we serve in the middle of the state to highly urban communities like in Philadelphia? And that's the power of being part of a network. And so for us, as we think about how we evolve and change, it's really around our service lines and our clinical programs, and we've challenged our teams to think differently about access.

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Baligh Yehia, M.D.
And I'll give you an example. One of the most challenging diagnoses you can get or give to a patient if you're a caregiver is one of, hey, we think you might have cancer or we're seeing something that doesn't look right. Typically, then you go and have to get different tests and find appointments. And during that time period, there's a ton of worry. There's a lot of uncertainty and concern

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Baligh Yehia, M.D.
and so we've pushed our team and said, how do we remove that? And we created a program our same day, next day cancer program. We're actually able to see new cancer diagnoses within 1.4 days at Jefferson. And it's mostly virtual. It extends into the evening hours as well as on Saturdays. And we're able to provide some comfort and most importantly, take away some of that uncertainty about what's the next step and where do we go from here.

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Baligh Yehia, M.D.
And when we first talked with a team, it seemed almost impossible, like, how can you actually do that? And we worked to create the right model. We set it on top of our clinics versus trying to embed it in the clinics. And that's been widely, wildly successful. And we've seen many patients go through that program, more than 2000.

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Baligh Yehia, M.D.
We've seen a faster time to chemotherapy and surgery. And as I said, there's that intangible piece of mind that comes. And so we've been asking each of our different services to think about things like that. How can you push differently? Our virtual primary care program, which now represents more than 10% of all of our primary care visits -

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Baligh Yehia, M.D.
we have to double the program because of the amount of interest in it. And then we also have home based care where we're actually getting into people's homes to help provide that. So I think when it gets to these novel therapies, I think virtual is our friend. And the concept of being able to rotate clinicians, be able to meet people where they are in their communities is really, really important.

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Baligh Yehia, M.D.
That's something that's really exciting around being part of a network like Jefferson is whether you're in Schuylkill County or in the Poconos or in Scranton, you can enroll in our clinical trials that are coming out of Philadelphia or out of Allentown. Or you can get access to a world class and novel therapies that wasn't available to those communities before.

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Baligh Yehia, M.D.
And it's really about connecting the dots through that system. So, you know, access continues to be something that we've talked about for decades now, and it's something that we'll continue to work on. But I think we're making some head away here in some of the programs we've developed.

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Chris DeRienzo, M.D.
Well, given as long as I have known you, it is no surprise to me, Baligh, that if I were to summarize what I just heard, in short, it's meeting an intersection of innovation and implementation. I was on a very special episode of this podcast recently with three of the coolest physicians not named Baligh Yehia in America. That was with Jackie Gerhart from Epic, Tom McGinn from CommonSpirit and Zia Ager from the West Health Institute.

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Chris DeRienzo, M.D.
And we were trying to envision what our profession looks like in 20 years as we walk through this era of AI enabled technology change. And one of the things that came up, you just reinforced, which is sometimes we can think about access differently. If I think about the patients who I remember seeing in pediatric residency, newly diagnosed cancer, there's a subset of those patients who it's truly an ontological emergency, and they have to be admitted to a hospital immediately.

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Chris DeRienzo, M.D.
Perhaps they have something like leukemia and they're in a leukemic crisis. But for many of them, what they need first is a conversation. And we know that there are ways that we can enable those conversations with an expert in the field to talk me through what happens next. That doesn't require a hospital stay. It may not even require going to the E.R. or coming to an office.

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Chris DeRienzo, M.D.
And as we enable clinicians to deliver care and to use their expertise at the top of their license in different ways, we can solve for access differently. And so the next question I typically ask guests, how's it going? It sounds like it's going pretty darn well.

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Baligh Yehia, M.D.
Yeah. And I think like I said, it's an issue that's been facing medicine for a long time. And it's multifactorial. We talk about physician and nursing shortages. We talk about disparities in care and how do you get access to treatments in one location to another. And so, you know, those still exist. But we are making progress.

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Baligh Yehia, M.D.
And I think that's really exciting when I hear stories of individuals that might not be able to access novel therapies. You know, we just started a new program where we're screening for cancer in the ERs. And one of my colleagues sent me a note last night. The program just started. We've scheduled 80 colonoscopies. We've had four done.

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Baligh Yehia, M.D.
And one of them, we've diagnosed someone with a mass already. And that's someone that probably was not seeing primary care. Came into the air for something different. It's not an emergency. So typically E.R. doctors and teams are not screening for cancer. And so it's things like that that in my mind are being able to meet people where they are.

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Baligh Yehia, M.D.
It sounds very simple, but that's an example. They're there waiting to be seen or in the room, and our team is able to talk to them and then evaluate them, get them scheduled and go from there. And the other cool thing is that that patient was a member of a health plan. And so that's kind of neat where you see win, win, win for most importantly, helping the patient and their family, providing better care and then also improving the lives of those in our health plan.

00:11:57:01 - 00:12:18:25
Chris DeRienzo, M.D.
We have time for exactly one more question, and I'm torn because again, we've known each other for 20 years. And there are a lot of things that are just as true then as today. But I'm going to have to pen that question for another time, because what our listeners tell us they most appreciate about our podcasts are we get to talk to fascinating people like you.

00:12:18:27 - 00:12:46:06
Chris DeRienzo, M.D.
And some of them come from academic systems, some from community systems, some are investor owned or nonprofit or public health systems. And the biggest question that they always want to know is, it's amazing that you're doing this great work at Jefferson, but what advice would you give to me if I'm running a critical access hospital in Mississippi, or I'm at a small academic health system in Oregon? You know, you're doing this amazing work at the intersection of innovation and implementation to expand access.

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Chris DeRienzo, M.D.
What first step should I be taking back home?

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Baligh Yehia, M.D.
You know, I think that's beautifully said and asked is that, you know, we serve so many diverse communities, so different settings across this great country. And so for me, I would say be curious. Because there isn't really just a playbook that you can lift and shift. Maybe there's a baseline that you can start with that has to be adapted.

00:13:12:08 - 00:13:43:08
Baligh Yehia, M.D.
But be curious. Ask patients, ask your patient family advisory councils, talk to your frontline staff. And again, it sounds basic, but that's what we do. And that's how we learn and make sure that as we deploy and implement programs, it actually sticks. And that's the one thing we are so prone, I think, to help. And sometimes that comes in the form of solving very quickly and taking time to really sit with the problem that you're trying to solve, understand the problem you're trying to solve.

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Baligh Yehia, M.D.
Talk to people about it. That planning, that discovery, that being curious goes a long, long way to executing on something that is efficient and that actually achieves what you're trying to achieve. So that's what I would say is just stay curious.

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Chris DeRienzo, M.D.
Very well said. If I've learned one thing in nearly four years at the age, and I've been to every conceivable kind of hospital in every conceivable kind of community in this country, it's while the role of hospitals look different from community to community, because every community is different, that connection points and understanding of this is where I can best support my community needs is a common thread throughout.

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Chris DeRienzo, M.D.
As expected Baligh, it has been so much fun catching up with you. Congratulations on all the amazing work happening up in Philly and across your region. And thank you again to listeners for tuning in.

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Baligh Yehia, M.D.
Pleasure. Thanks for having me.

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Tom Haederle
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