Advancing Health Podcast

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Tom Haederle
Welcome to Advancing Health. Many factors come into play for raising healthy children, starting from their earliest years. Families thrive when patients are supported and connected to the right resources. Today, we hear about a collaboration in Texas that is setting families, parents, and kids up for success.

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Julia Resnick
Welcome to Advancing Health. I'm your host, Julia Resnick, senior director of health outcomes and care transformation at the American Hospital Association. Today, we're talking about what it really takes to help babies and families thrive, especially in those early years that can shape a child's health and development for a lifetime. Children's hospitals know that improving health means partnering beyond traditional clinical care.

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Julia Resnick
Meeting families where they are and addressing medical, social, emotional and developmental needs together. That's exactly what we'll explore today through upStart Community Programs led by Texas Children's Hospital and Baylor College of Medicine, it's an innovative, community based model designed to support both children and their parents during some of the most important developmental stages. Joining me today are Nancy Correa, director of population health at Texas Children's Hospital, and Beth Van Horne, director of research for the Division of Public Health Pediatrics at Baylor College of Medicine.

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Julia Resnick
We'll talk about how the program works in practice and what this model can teach the broader field about building healthier futures for children and communities. Nancy, Beth, thank you so much for joining me today.

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Beth Van Horne, DrPH
Hi, Julia. We're thrilled to be here. Thank you for having us.

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Julia Resnick
So to start, Beth, let's kick this first question off to you. I'd love to talk about the conditions that help babies and their parents thrive. What happens when those supports aren't in place and what are the consequences for families?

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Beth Van Horne, DrPH
So we know that babies and children thrive when their parents are set up for success, and that means that families need to be able to access and to be able to afford safe and stable housing, nutritious food, high quality child care. They need timely access to physical, mental and dental health care, right? And they need resources that can help them when challenges arise.

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Beth Van Horne, DrPH
Families also really need time and the capacity to build strong relationships with one another and with that child. So everyday moments like talking and singing and reading and playing and comforting, eating a meal together, these are all really incredibly important for child development. And to have this capacity, you know, parents need to be able to take care of themselves, right?

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Beth Van Horne, DrPH
They need social support, too. Someone they can call when they're running late for childcare pickup. Somebody to call when they need $10 for gas, somebody to call just to kind of fill up their cup. Parents really need to feel seen. They need to feel heard and supported, and they need to feel confident. You know, especially during pregnancy in those early years of life that can be really challenging and really exhausting.

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Beth Van Horne, DrPH
Also really importantly is families need to be in communities that support them, communities where we collectively recognize that to build a strong foundation for children, that is not just good for that child, but it's really good and vital for the importance of health and well-being and the future success for really all of us, right. So policies that support working families, like paid parental leave and family friendly workplaces, these play important roles in helping families thrive.

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Beth Van Horne, DrPH
And when these things are not in place, the pressures and stressors of everyday life can really quickly begin to impact the whole family. You know, parents may struggle to meet basic needs. They might feel isolated. They can have symptoms of depression and anxiety. We've seen people delay getting care for themselves and getting care for their kids because they can't -

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Beth Van Horne, DrPH
they don't have the capacity to do it for various reasons, right? We see this every day. When a parent doesn't know where their next meal is going to come from, they have a really hard time playing with that kid and engaging with them really well, right? They have a really hard time coming to doctor's appointments or coming to one of our program sessions. For children,

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Beth Van Horne, DrPH
that impacts their bonding, their attachment, their early brain and language development, their emotional well-being, and then ultimately long term health outcomes.

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Julia Resnick
Yeah, so much pressure and in so many different factors to think about during those early developmental stages. So, Nancy, how do you see those challenges showing up for children and families at Texas Children's?

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Beth Van Horne, DrPH
Sure. I mean, we see it coming up in a lot of ways, which has really kind of led us to kind of creating the upStart program. And so the upStart program has evolved over time, but it started with our upWords program. And our upWords program really began with our clinical team members being disheartened by some of the outcomes they were seeing, and recognizing that if some of those kiddos that they were kind of providing care for had received services earlier, have been connected to treatment earlier, had just a different earlier childhood, that that child may have had a different trajectory.

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Beth Van Horne, DrPH
And so we started with our upWords program, really focused on early brain development and early language. And then from that upWords program, we really just listen to our participants, we listen to our team members, and from them just kept asking ourselves, how can we do better? How can we kind of be a better partner with the community? And just as one example, we noticed early on that our upWords group parenting class for the moms, it felt like it was being used as an informal postpartum depression support group.

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Beth Van Horne, DrPH
So what did we do then? We started screening our moms for postpartum depression and realized, wow, a lot of these moms have, you know, are screening positive for postpartum depression. So at that point, we recognized that we wanted to add programing into our model, into the big upStart model that included postpartum depression support services. And that's how uplift, another component of our upStart program, got added.

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Julia Resnick
I love that that you saw a need from your community and built around that. And, you know, you have that lovely upStart graphic that is the circle that has the early childhood development side and the like, parental support side. Can you talk about how those two pieces fit together and what that looks like in practice?

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Beth Van Horne, DrPH
In practice, we have nine different distinct programs. And again, this has developed over time with kind of adding new programs based on recognizing needs in the community. But in practice, all of our team members, I mean, share the same office space, talk together all the time. And it is a constant back and forth of kind of connecting families within different programs and different team members.

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Beth Van Horne, DrPH
We are so lucky within the upStart model to have community health workers, health educators, nurses, social workers all partnering together to support pregnant women and families with young children. And again, since they're in a shared office space with a shared mission, it's just really great. They connect all the time to figure out again, how can we do better and how can we best support this family and kind of pregnant women?

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Julia Resnick
So as you're building this model, I am sure that there is research to back up what you're doing. So what were the what is the evidence base for building this out the way you did?

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Beth Van Horne, DrPH
So it's been really interesting. And different programs look a little bit different. So typically when we've identified a need we've started with what is the evidence? What are the evidence based programs out there? And for example, the Nurse Family Partnership is one of the programs that we offer. And that has such a strong, you know, strong research backing and evidence around kind of supporting women and young families.

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Beth Van Horne, DrPH
And then other times we look to the evidence, we've looked to the research and just haven't found quite what we needed for our communities and for our families. So quite honestly, this isn't where we expect it to go. But we had learned how to do program development. And then thankfully, you know, Beth is our director of research. And so we've done many of the program evaluations, randomized controlled trials, because sometimes when the program didn't exist to meet the needs of our community, we've developed ourselves and then had to study it to make sure it led to the outcomes that we were expecting and hoping for.

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Julia Resnick
And I think that's so common in the community health world that there are these programs that we know make an impact, but they just haven't been evaluated. So thank you for adding to the evidence base, so as other hospitals are thinking about doing this, they can refer back to you and saying, okay, if I do these sorts of interventions, this is what I expect to see.

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Beth Van Horne, DrPH
Yes. I mean, I guess when I talked about our multidisciplinary team, I probably should have also added research assistants and research faculties and biostatisticians and data analysts that are also really supporting this work, supporting these programs.

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Julia Resnick
And it sounds like, you know, upStart as a partnership with family and community, but it's also a partnership between Texas Children's Hospital and Baylor. So how does that partnership work?

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Nancy Correa
So Baylor College of Medicine is the academic affiliate of Texas Children's Hospital. So the doctors that are in Texas Children's Hospital and our pediatric offices are typically Baylor employees. And we partner really closely together. As Nancy said, we're in the same building, we're in the same offices. And what that does is it allows us to leverage both institutions, the reputation that the institutions have and, you know, the strengths of these institutions.

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Julia Resnick
So I want to dig in just a little more to like the two sides of the program. So can you talk a little bit more about like the infant health and development side and what those programs are that are helping build a strong foundation?

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Nancy Correa
Sure. So upStart community programs, I mean, as Nancy kind of talked about, we started with one, and then we built this suite of programs because we recognize that families need different things. All families want to thrive. Parents want to be really good parents, but they need different things to make that happen. And so for upWords, right, a family might hear at their pediatric office or in the community that early brain development is really important, right?

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Nancy Correa
And they need to be reading to their children. But maybe they don't read, right? Maybe that's not where they're strong or they didn't grow up as English as their first language. And so they feel not very confident in that. And so they might come to our upWords program, and they're in a group class with other families that are just like them, and they're learning from our health educators.

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Nancy Correa
Over 16 weeks, together with our health educators, they get a library of 16 books. They get routine developmental snapshots where they're looking at how their child is developing over time, how they're doing and communicating with that child. They get these really cool reports that show how many words their child spoke during this time. They see how many conversational turns they're taking, so they can see kind of how they're developing over time and if there's a challenge there.

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Nancy Correa
And so they learn these very different skills during these classes to support those everyday interactions like we talked about. How do you sing? How do you do a picture walk in a book because you don't have to read to be able to look at a book with your baby. For our upRead program - so this is a program, a brief program that works with pregnant women and those in that early postpartum period.

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Nancy Correa
And so they might be at their OB office and they are struggling to make their prenatal appointments. So they just got a new diagnosis of gestational diabetes, and they might get connected to our upReach program. And they're going to be connected to a community health worker who's going to meet with them, kind of talk about what do they need to succeed during this pregnancy, what do they need during that period and then early postpartum?

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Nancy Correa
And so they're going to help try to figure out how do we help you get to your prenatal appointments.

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Julia Resnick
I love hearing about all the tools that you're giving moms and parents to help get them get through their pregnancy and help get through those really difficult early stages and feel confident in how they're raising their kids. And this all sounds like it has to have an incredible impact. So I'm curious how you're measuring and communicating the impact of these programs.

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Nancy Correa
We are researchers, right? Or at least I am. And many of our team members are kind of researchers at heart. And so evaluation plays a big part in what we do. There are limited resources for family support services in our community. And so we want to make sure that we are doing the best job with those funds as we can.

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Nancy Correa
We've built evaluation into every program that we have, so we do pre-surveys to figure out where parents are when they start our programs. We do post surveys to figure out where they are at the end of our programs. We're asking for feedback throughout so they may participate in a focus group at the end of the year to really try to figure out, okay, what are we doing really well and where might we need a little bit more support?

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Nancy Correa
Where do we need to beef up our services? And sometimes that means we create a new program. In upWords, at the end of the program, they loved all the language, but they're like, hey, my child is now melting down and they have the words to use while they're melting down. How do I deal with that? Right?

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Nancy Correa
And so they said, oh, okay. Well, let's talk about let's build a new program called Upward Squared that really talks about positive parenting. And how do you have control over yourself so that you can help co-regulate your child so that you guys are both regulated and can have meaningful conversations and not just breakdowns, right? And so that's how those programs get built, is by kind of seeing what our evaluation says, seeing what our parents say and going is that exist in the community? Okay,

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Nancy Correa
no? Okay. Let's do it. And then in terms of communicating to the community, so each year we do an evaluation like a formal evaluation where we're looking at our data. We're just finishing up right now for 2025. And we created a book, kind of an impact book that shares the stories, shows, you know, where we're making improvements, our lessons learned, and then we're able to kind of to give that to our funders.

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Nancy Correa
We're able to give that to the community, to our agencies so they can see, you know, what's happening. A lot of our staff goes out. We do a tremendous amount of community events to get awareness out and to talk about our programing. We see, you know, we hope to see around 1500 families a year, unique families, and they cross over in different programs.

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Nancy Correa
So it's a lot of families that we serve. And so there's a tremendous amount of outreach that we do in the community to drive awareness. And then, you know, as researchers, as academics, we'll publish peer reviewed journals, we'll go to national conferences so that we can learn from other places that are doing things like this, and then also hopefully show them what's happening in Houston and what they might want to do in their community.

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Julia Resnick
And just to close. Do you have any advice for other children's hospitals who are thinking about how to engage with their communities?

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Beth Van Horne, DrPH
I think there's so many opportunities for hospitals to get involved. Beyond just providing clinical care, I see the role of hospitals and health care systems. We are a trusted resource from our parents and our families, and that is not something we should take for granted. Many of my community partners that we work with cannot say the same.

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Beth Van Horne, DrPH
So really need to take that responsibility that parents come to us for advice. They want our advice. We are a trusted resource, so we have an opportunity to educate. We also have an opportunity to connect families with different programs and different resources. And then again, we have the opportunity to build these programs and offer these programs, particularly for nonprofit hospitals.

00:15:39:27 - 00:16:07:15
Beth Van Horne, DrPH
We are all required by the IRS to complete a community health needs assessment every three years, and then implement a strategy that aligns with the identified community health needs. And for Texas Children's Hospital, the upStart community programs aligns with every single community health need that was in our assessment. Mental and behavioral health, social drivers of health, access to care, and then maternal and child health.

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Beth Van Horne, DrPH
So again, it absolutely aligns with the work that we want to be doing and should be doing to serve the community.

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Julia Resnick
Absolutely. And Beth, any closing thoughts?

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Nancy Correa
I would just say do it. Dive into your community and talk to people, figure out what they need, and then, you know, connect with us or other hospitals, other places that provide these services to learn how we how we've done it and what our lessons learned are. I think if we care about child development, we have to care about what their parents are facing every day, right?

00:16:39:20 - 00:17:02:01
Nancy Correa
We cannot ignore the fact that they can't afford gas to get to their appointments. We cannot ignore that they don't have food at home. And so we really need to think outside of the clinic walls to be able to support families. We want to be accessible, approachable. We don't want to be scary, right? People can be very scared of the medical community and technical language.

00:17:02:01 - 00:17:25:21
Nancy Correa
They don't know what that means to them. And so having language across all of our communications to support families is really important to us. In fact, we're starting a parent advisory council to review all of the materials that go out so that we can really be sure that we're aligning the language with what will resonate with families to get them into our programs and to ensure that we're actually, you know, meeting them where they are.

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Nancy Correa
I would also say that we really have to support our staff. They are the ones that make these impacts happen every day, and it can be very hard for them to see things that they can't change. So we want to be able to hear them just as well as we're hearing our families. We want to support them just as well as we're supporting our families because they're the ones on the front lines doing the work well.

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Julia Resnick
Thank you both so much for the work you do every day to support families and kids in Houston. This upStart program is incredible, and it's just it's a privilege to learn from the two of you. So thank you both for your expertise, for sharing with us and for everything you do for your communities.

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Tom Haederle
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Tom Haederle
Welcome to Advancing Health. For patients dealing with opioid or stimulant use disorders, a lot depends on how smoothly they can transition through the health care system to access the care they need. Today, we hear from two experts on effective ways to improve their navigation.

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Jordan Steiger
Hi everyone, and welcome to AHA's Advancing Health podcast. My name is Jordan Steiger, and I'm the director of Behavioral Health and Violence Prevention at the AHA. Really happy to be joined today by Dr. Ben Springgate and Dr. Seth Vignes, who are both here from joining us from New Orleans. And they are going to tell us a little bit more about the work that they're doing at their organization around improving care transitions for patients with opioid use disorder and stimulant use disorder, and how their work just kind of touches all patients that are experiencing substance use disorders and helping them just get where they need to go and get the care that they need.

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Jordan Steiger
So Dr. Vignes and Dr. Springgate, thank you for being here today.

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Seth Vignes, M.D.
Thanks, Jordan. We're really excited to be here. Thank you Jordan. Excited to join us.

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Jordan Steiger
Before we jump in, I would love the audience to get to know you a little bit. So, Doctor Vignes, could you just introduce yourself and let us know who you are and what you do?

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Seth Vignes, M.D.
Yeah. Thanks, Jordan. My name is Seth Vignes. I'm an assistant professor of internal medicine. I primarily work as a hospitalist in New Orleans at a few different hospitals, but I'm also an addiction medicine researcher on the Louisiana Department of Health public grant.

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Jordan Steiger
And, Ben, what about you?

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Benjamin Springgate, M.D.
I'm an internal medicine and addiction medicine doctor-professor here at LSU School of Medicine and active in clinical care, principally for patients with opioid use disorder and other addictive disorders, but also research and education.

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Jordan Steiger
I just want to make sure everybody in our audience is aware of some of the work that we've been doing together on our Bridge to Care collaborative. So this is a CDC funded project that we have been working on for the past few years, and the CDC really asked us to find ways to improve linkage and retention for patients with opioid use disorder and stimulant use disorder.

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Jordan Steiger
So one of the ways we've been doing that is through the use of our Bridge to Care guide, which lays out lots of different options for organizations to kind of consider and think about how they can adapt those things into their own practices. Focusing on the inpatient setting, primary care setting, the role of pharmacy, and really thinking about what some of those leadership roles are, how we can improve education and communication around care transitions, and how we ultimately can improve access to care.

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Jordan Steiger
Before we kind of jump into that, I would love to hear just based on some of the things that are we really are focusing on in this collaborative together, where are some of the biggest breakdowns in care transitions that you see with your patients? Ben, let's start with you.

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Benjamin Springgate, M.D.
Thanks so much, Jordan. It's a great question. One of the things that we, you know, see is that breakdowns occur across the continuum of care. So breakdowns occur when patients enter the emergency department once they're admitted to the hospital, when they're discharged, and when they're navigating follow up after a hospital admission. So in the emergency department, for example, opioid use disorder and stimulant use disorder are under-recognized.

00:03:13:04 - 00:03:39:06
Benjamin Springgate, M.D.
They're frequently under-treated, and this can result in delayed care in patients boarding in the emergency department, in patients leaving prior to engaging in treatment, or completing treatment. On the inpatient side, following an admission, many patients across the country are not met with the kind of empathy and patient centered care we'd like to see for patients with substance use disorders. Many are not receiving evidence based care.

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Benjamin Springgate, M.D.
Most don't receive standard of care life saving medication for opioid use disorder, for example, medications like buprenorphine or methadone, which can prevent withdrawal and increase retention and care, as well as decrease the likelihood of death. And most don't receive expert inpatient support from addiction consult services or addiction board certified specialists. And with each missed opportunity, that means that the patients who we are trying to care for have a greater likelihood of worse outcomes, a greater likelihood of relapse to substance use, and a greater likelihood of disease progression, including risk of death.

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Benjamin Springgate, M.D.
We know that many hospitals across the country don't carry buprenorphine on formulary, even though it's standard of care, even though the World Health Organization has designated it as an essential medication. And we know that even more hospitals don't carry methadone or create barriers to initiation of use of methadone for opioid use disorder. And methadone, as well as buprenorphine, are the two medications demonstrated to save lives in the treatment and care for patients with opioid use disorder.

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Benjamin Springgate, M.D.
Following up further on those transitions of care opportunities, many people who come through our care settings, in our hospital and in other hospitals may not have a telephone. They may not have transportation. They may really struggle with costs of care. And those things make a difference when we're trying to anticipate facilitating follow up. So although the likelihood of a really bad outcome, such as death for someone who's had an opioid overdose is about the same as for someone who's had a heart attack, the likelihood that someone gets standard of care and receives evidence based care across each of these care settings on the continuum and during the care transitions is much, much lower for someone

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Benjamin Springgate, M.D.
with opioid use disorder or stimulant use disorder compared to a heart attack. If you've had a heart attack and you look at the quality metrics that all our hospitals across the country care about, the likelihood of getting standard of care exceeds 95%, and the likelihood of getting standard of care for opioid use disorder or stimulant use disorder is abysmally low by comparison.

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Jordan Steiger
Wow, I did not know that. I think that's a really great way to frame this conversation, and I'm hearing some of the threads through everything you said. It sounds like there's a lot of stigma that exists out there in the world. And then just like we were talking about with access, you know, some of those social aspects of care that are really affecting your patients in the way that they're able to transition.

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Jordan Steiger
Doctor Vignes, what do you think?

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Seth Vignes, M.D.
You know, one of the biggest challenges we see in our region is that our addiction care is very siloed. It's highly siloed. Inpatient teams, outpatient providers, community care workers. They're often operating as a separate systems rather than a coordinated continuum. In that environment, I really find that a lot of times, the responsibility for connecting the dots between them falls on the patient at a really, you know, a time when they should be spending their energy and focus on recovery.

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Seth Vignes, M.D.
From a hospitalist perspective, it's really evident in a subset of patients that are having injection related infections, things like endocarditis, skin and soft tissue infections. Back to (?) Those cases, they have introduced additional transition points where they're going to skilled nursing facilities or LTACS before eventually reentering the outpatient system. And so each of those transition points is another potential point of failure.

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Seth Vignes, M.D.
So building a cohesive like really long term care plan that spans inpatient, post-acute to outpatient to medication access while also addressing housing and transportation and phones, it's really time consuming and incredibly complex, and each of those aspects are in a different silo with a different EMR, different providers, different knowledge bases and capacities. And so without coordination across it, even our best inpatient interventions can fail to reach sustainable engagement.

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Seth Vignes, M.D.
And so that's when we see those heightened readmission rates and long lengths of stay and preventable overdoses.

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Jordan Steiger
I'm really glad you brought up some of the physical aspects of substance use. I feel like that's not something that's always a part of the conversation when people aren't in this world and kind of experiencing it every day. And I know that there can be some additional challenges sometimes, you know, with getting patients to LTACs, getting people to skilled nursing facilities because of their substance use.

00:08:05:14 - 00:08:29:01
Jordan Steiger
So I think that's a really important thing to bring up. And also, for listeners, a really good thing to think about - how can they improve those partnerships and maybe provide some of that education and reduce some of the stigma. So thank you. I know one of the ways that you all have really done some great work is by creating an integrated clinic that treats physical health and substance use at the same time.

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Jordan Steiger
Tell us a little bit more about that, because I think we could all really learn from that model.

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Benjamin Springgate, M.D.
Yeah. The LSU Integrated Health Clinic draws on the medical evidence showing that patients who received integrated care of their substance use disorders, their physical health, their behavioral health are more likely to achieve improved outcomes, more likely to stay engaged in care, more likely to receive evidence based care. And that really is our goal. So this enables a patient who perhaps has chronic medical conditions like diabetes or hypertension, as well as mental health conditions like depression and post-traumatic stress disorder, as well as conditions associated with drug use like chronic hepatitis C to receive care all in one place, even as they're getting care for their substance use disorder. And providing that combined care with addiction specialty

00:09:20:04 - 00:09:43:22
Benjamin Springgate, M.D.
care, primary care, medical services, psychiatric or mental health services in an accessible, non stigmatizing, supportive clinical environment really makes all the difference in terms of facilitating the likelihood of people staying in care, facilitating the likelihood that they're going to get the types of evidence based care that we know actually work and that reduce the likelihood of relapse and overdose risk.

00:09:43:22 - 00:10:06:03
Benjamin Springgate, M.D.
And so this type of a model has been advanced by national organizations across the country, and really represents a sharp contrast to a lot of settings across the country where, as Seth was describing earlier, there are such silos. And patients with addictive disorders really perceive a lot of a lot of barriers and potentially a lot of bias.

00:10:06:10 - 00:10:29:02
Seth Vignes, M.D.
The hospitalists love the integrated health clinic. You know, when my patients nearing discharge, I can call Dr. Springgate. I can call his clinic staff scheduler and have an appointment in hand for my patient. I can tell them who they're going to see and what date and time. And that also allows me to leverage the in hospital case managers and social workers, if things arise, that are going to be a barrier for my patient transportation,

00:10:29:02 - 00:10:50:16
Seth Vignes, M.D.
for one. It also is nice because it's proximity right next to us. And so I can I can tell my patient where it is. So it just lowers those barriers for access. And I think the other thing that's really important is that the staff at Integrated Health Clinic really recognize that this is a time sensitive appointment, and they can really coordinate with you to get it urgently and get your patient and when they need to.

00:10:50:19 - 00:11:06:27
Jordan Steiger
That makes so much sense. And I mean, I'm hearing from both of you just, you know, addressing all of those barriers that we're talking about at the beginning, you know, getting that appointment in hand before the patient actually leaves the hospital, helping them to address all of their needs at one time with one appointment as much as possible.

00:11:06:27 - 00:11:14:04
Jordan Steiger
I think this is amazing. And I'll ask the question I'm sure a lot of people are thinking is, how do you pay for this? How do you make this happen?

00:11:14:07 - 00:11:39:01
Benjamin Springgate, M.D.
We were fortunate to advocate 8 or 9 years ago to our hospital leadership that we really wanted to try to expand access to services for patients with substance use disorder in our primary care center in a non stigmatizing environment. Leadership at that time bought in and we're thankful for that. And I think that they realize there are a number of beneficial outcomes for the system, for the hospital

00:11:39:02 - 00:12:07:07
Benjamin Springgate, M.D.
beyond just for the patient you know. So yes we all want to help the patient. But if we can reduce the likelihood that the patient is going to come back into the emergency department and, you know, be a border in the emergency department and see that bottleneck to other emergency care. If we can reduce the likelihood of a readmission, which many of our hospital leaders are concerned about, if we can reduce the likelihood of a prolonged length of stay because we have an adequate opportunity for follow up.

00:12:07:08 - 00:12:19:27
Benjamin Springgate, M.D.
These are things which really speak to hospital administrators across the country. And fortunately, we were able to see some residents from our leadership as they made this decision to allow us to open up this clinic.

00:12:20:00 - 00:12:39:14
Jordan Steiger
I think that is a great example of bringing in that that leadership component, really getting that buy-in and then just going from there, you know, and building on the success and the outcomes that you're showing through the work that you're doing. I want to change topic a little bit here. So a lot of the work that we are doing together is really focused on opioid use disorder.

00:12:39:16 - 00:12:53:12
Jordan Steiger
But the other component of this work is around stimulant use disorder. So could you tell us just a little bit, maybe some of your experience with treating patients with stimulant use disorder - how that could be a little different than the approaches you would use with opioids.

00:12:53:14 - 00:13:17:21
Benjamin Springgate, M.D.
It's a great question, and it is important to recognize that frequently we do see patients with stimulant use disorder. Frequently these people who are using stimulants are also using other drugs concurrently. The toolkit for clinical treatment of stimulant use disorder isn't quite as robust as the toolkit for treating opioid use disorder. The medications that are available are used off label in many environments, including our own.

00:13:17:22 - 00:13:42:25
Benjamin Springgate, M.D.
The standard of care contingency management isn't covered by many insurances or most insurances, so this makes a big difference. What we try to do is engage those patients who are using stimulants in a way that we can help them with all of their substance use problems, and perhaps if we're supporting them in the care with evidence based medication and treatment for their opioid use disorder, that increases the likelihood that they're not going to go back to stimulant use.

00:13:42:25 - 00:14:03:02
Benjamin Springgate, M.D.
If we can concurrently offer them mental health services for something else that they're concerned about, their anxiety, their depression, their PTSD, perhaps that increases the likelihood that they're not going to go back to use of stimulants. And engaging them where they are, helping them to identify their priorities for treatment and their goals can facilitate the likelihood that they'll remain in care

00:14:03:03 - 00:14:07:04
Benjamin Springgate, M.D.
following a care transition from the inpatient to the outpatient settings.

00:14:07:06 - 00:14:11:19
Jordan Steiger
Makes a lot of sense. Dr. Vignes, what about your perspective from the hospitalist side?

00:14:11:21 - 00:14:31:09
Seth Vignes, M.D.
You know, what we're seeing is that we need to recognize that it's a growing problem. And it's especially in our location we're seeing a rise. And so a lot of our education right now is just on recognition because like Dr. Springgate mentioned, our toolkit for treatment is limited. And so recognizing counseling, referring to care for more expertise is really important.

00:14:31:09 - 00:14:37:27
Seth Vignes, M.D.
But I think the first step that we're kind of currently undergoing is just recognition and education to our providers.

00:14:38:03 - 00:14:56:00
Jordan Steiger
Really, really important component of all of this. So as we wrap up, Dr. Vignes, I'd like to start with you. What is one thing that you think a hospital leader or maybe a health system leader listening to this podcast really needs to know about care transitions, and if they could kind of walk away with one thing from this, what would it be?

00:14:56:02 - 00:15:20:28
Seth Vignes, M.D.
Yeah, it's a great question. I think for me, one of the highest impact practical interventions you can think about for a health system is investing in peer navigators, I would say is something I think is really important. These are trained professionals. They oftentimes have lived experience. They understand kind of both the clinical system and how to navigate it in the local community resources in a way that most providers can't.

00:15:21:01 - 00:15:39:19
Seth Vignes, M.D.
And as we talked about before, you know, our systems struggle at the transition point. So even when we initiate medications for opioid use disorder and we stabilize that patient on the inpatient side to follow through can fall apart without dedicated support. And so peer navigators kind of help bridge that gap, and they serve as a trusted guide.

00:15:39:20 - 00:16:03:02
Seth Vignes, M.D.
They support follow up. They troubleshoot the barriers like transportation. And they just maintain engagement at a really vulnerable point. There's a growing body of evidence that peer support improves linkage across a lot of different settings. That's post hospitalization, post carceral. And so as we think about like scaling the model, I think we should be amplifying the message that these services should be sustainably funded.

00:16:03:02 - 00:16:20:09
Seth Vignes, M.D.
So expanding reimbursement particularly through CMS would be really important. And so if I had to recommend one intervention, I would say you should pair your addiction kind of infrastructure with well integrated peer navigation support and then advocate for policy change to make it sustainable.

00:16:20:12 - 00:16:28:18
Jordan Steiger
That is a great point. We are big fans of peer support over here, and I'm so glad you brought that into the conversation. Dr. Springgate, what about you?

00:16:28:20 - 00:17:15:14
Benjamin Springgate, M.D.
Great point, Seth. I think that in addition, you know, I know that many of our hospital leaders are concerned about things like overcrowded emergency departments. They're concerned about things like preventable readmissions and reducing preventable readmissions. They're concerned about things like ensuring follow up care. And the scientific evidence, you know, that's come out in the last several years shows that patients who are engaged in care in inpatient settings inside the hospital by addiction medicine specialists like an addiction consult service, are 700% more likely to receive life saving standard of care medications like buprenorphine, likewise 7 to 8 times more likely to follow up and remain in care after discharge.

00:17:15:14 - 00:18:08:02
Benjamin Springgate, M.D.
So that's a tremendous benefit that can be associated with having an inpatient addiction consult service that can result in reduced crowding from substance use and overdose patients in the emergency department. That can result in reduced readmissions from substance use, comorbidities, and overdose, and that can facilitate that sustained engagement and care. So whether a patient is coming in with endocarditis or other sequelae of substance use, then follow the evidence. The medical evidence, the health services evidence shows that meeting your inpatient addiction specialist face to face, giving them the opportunity to engage in that discussion with the patient and giving them the opportunity to receive recommendation of evidence based care and facilitate timely follow up in

00:18:08:02 - 00:18:25:17
Benjamin Springgate, M.D.
a way that helps the patient overcome some of their challenges, is really what's going to result in improvements in length of stay, decrease readmissions, decrease boarding in the emergency department, things that we should all care about, even as it's also dramatically improving the likelihood of good clinical outcomes.

00:18:25:24 - 00:18:44:13
Jordan Steiger
I don't think there's a better way to wrap up this episode than what you just said. I think that pulls it all together perfectly. So thank you both so much for being here and sharing just a little bit of your knowledge. I feel like we could talk about this all day, but just thank you for your support of the work that AHA is doing and your participation.

00:18:44:13 - 00:18:48:14
Jordan Steiger
And we couldn't do any of this work without you in the way that you serve your patients.

00:18:48:16 - 00:18:52:08
Benjamin Springgate, M.D.
We're grateful to you and to the AHA and everyone involved in this. Thank you so much.

00:18:52:14 - 00:18:54:00
Seth Vignes, M.D.
Thanks, Jordan.

00:18:54:02 - 00:19:02:25
Tom Haederle
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Tom Haederle
Welcome to Advancing Health. Patients grappling with substance use disorders can get temporary care within a hospital setting. But where is the continued support after discharge? In this podcast, we learn about one answer to that question. It's called the Bridge to Care Collaborative.

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Jordan Steiger
My name is Jordan Steiger, and I am the director of Behavioral Health and Violence Prevention at the American Hospital Association. I'm joined today by Dr. Heidi Bray, who is a nurse practitioner and hospitalist at Providence Saint Peter Hospital in Olympia, Washington. Heidi serves her patients in her community through working at a community-based peer led low barrier suboxone program, where she provides outpatient MOUD care or medication for opioid use disorder and works with the team to refine clinical pathways.

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Jordan Steiger
I'm really excited for this conversation today because I got to meet Heidi through the work that we are doing through a CDC funded project here at the AHA through our Health Research and Educational Trust called the Bridge to Care Collaborative. And what we are trying to do in this collaborative is improve the pathways, improve linkage to care, and improve retention and care for patients with opioid use disorder and stimulant use disorder specifically.

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Jordan Steiger
But we do know that all of the work we're doing can really help patients across the care continuum that have substance use disorders. So Heidi, thank you so much for joining us today.

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Heidi Bray, DNP
Of course, my pleasure.

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Jordan Steiger
Before we get into the details of the work we've been doing together, I would love if you could just tell us a little bit more about the community you serve at your hospital and just kind of where you're from.

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Heidi Bray, DNP
Sure. So I am a Olympia, Washington native, and I have the privilege of serving and caring for patients in the community where I grew up. Providence Saint Peter Hospital is part of a larger system, Providence Health Care, which extends over five states in the western United States. We are a faith based Catholic hospital system that has a rich heritage and culture based in our in a deep history, based in our community of over 150 years of caring, really for the most vulnerable patients in in our communities. And serve a five county area,

00:02:18:25 - 00:02:33:08
Heidi Bray, DNP
so we have a large geographic catchment, which is part of our challenge as we seek to adapt to a changing healthcare system and changing realities in both our suburban and rural communities.

00:02:33:10 - 00:02:54:22
Jordan Steiger
Absolutely. And that's a great overview to get us started. And you know, one reason I'm so excited to have you here today is because you have that hospital perspective, but you also have community perspective. You serve a largely rural population across a very large geographic area, even though you're located in more of a suburban, larger city setting. Is that right?

00:02:54:25 - 00:03:26:07
Heidi Bray, DNP
Correct. We're set - our setting is then sort of a mid-size city, but we draw from the surrounding counties accepting in-transfer patients from smaller rural hospitals and facilities that either don't have capacity or ability to handle certain patient demographics. Complex patients requiring infectious disease consultation or logic consultations, oftentimes surgical consultations, cardiac consultation, that kind of thing come to us.

00:03:26:07 - 00:04:00:06
Heidi Bray, DNP
And oftentimes those patients have layers of substance use disorder as well. So these are patients that may be out in rural counties where there is one small 20 bed hospital and a dwindling number of outpatient resources. Certainly very limited resources for substance use disorder care, who come to our hospital with a multitude of needs. And so we try to manage those as optimally as we can in the acute care setting and then figure out pertaining to our work with the AHA

00:04:00:08 - 00:04:20:14
Heidi Bray, DNP
how do we link those community, those patients back to their community, to their home, to their families, and still keep the ongoing, important aspects of their care intact so that they can live well? And that's a particular challenge with substance use disorder.

00:04:20:19 - 00:04:40:07
Jordan Steiger
Thinking about some of maybe those specific challenges, you know, you mentioned comorbidities that might bring people into the hospital, and then they also have a substance use disorder. And let's say the patient gets the treatment they need. They're ready to go back to their families and their communities. What are the challenges that they face as they're making those transitions?

00:04:40:09 - 00:05:10:13
Heidi Bray, DNP
So let's say we have a patient who maybe came to us in-transfer from a small outlying rural critical access hospital, where they were admitted and it was there was a high level of concern for a infection, for a complex infection, maybe in a joint or a heart valve. And they are transferred to our facility where they undergo whatever surgical consultation is needed, whatever infectious disease consultation is needed.

00:05:10:13 - 00:05:38:21
Heidi Bray, DNP
But we know that this patient was placed at risk for this infection because of their substance use disorder. They may be with us for a number of days, even weeks, while we sort through the acute critical problem. And optimally we transition them to MAT for their opioid use disorder. And now we're preparing to discharge them back to a community that doesn't have anyone who prescribes Suboxone or methadone.

00:05:38:21 - 00:06:17:26
Heidi Bray, DNP
And what does that look like for this person? So figuring out issues of, say, transportation into a larger center of care where they can come, you know, monthly for their medication management, sometimes that's interwoven with telemedicine opportunities that are many of our community partners also offer. We are blessed to have rich tribal resources in our northwest communities, where the tribes are really doing great work around growing access to care, both primary care and substance use disorder care, and oftentimes have transportation support available to their patients as well.

00:06:17:26 - 00:06:54:06
Heidi Bray, DNP
And many times they very generously serve patients who are not affiliated with the tribe. So we're able to connect people to their services, which is wonderful. But all of this takes a lot of care coordination, a lot of connection, a lot of knowledge around what resources exist so we can support patients. I think what's really tragic to me, and really continues to be tragic to me, is that, quite honestly, it's easier to purchase drugs in many of these outlying communities than it is to get access to good health care that serves people with substance use disorder.

00:06:54:06 - 00:07:19:25
Heidi Bray, DNP
And until we address that underlying problem in our communities, this will be an ongoing challenge for these patients. Because quite honestly, it's easier to find some fentanyl, purchase fentanyl, than it is to in many cases than it is to stay engaged with a provider who can continue to help manage your chronic disease of substance use disorder with MAT.

00:07:19:26 - 00:07:24:08
Heidi Bray, DNP
So we need to shift that narrative in order to really succeed.

00:07:24:13 - 00:07:38:28
Jordan Steiger
I know one thing I've come to know about you and your professional life is that you're really passionate about access to these medications that help with treatment, and you've been doing a lot of work through this collaborative to educate your fellow providers about how they can prescribe.

00:07:39:01 - 00:08:07:02
Heidi Bray, DNP
Sure. Well, the AHA collaborative project has been really a gift. What the opportunity has given me is sort of is some time and some connection with other providers and communities and systems across the country through the AHA collaborative who are struggling with the same issue. The issues have a different flavor in different communities, but they really, at their core are the same.

00:08:07:02 - 00:08:33:04
Heidi Bray, DNP
And so I practice as a nurse practitioner. Certainly I have one foot in the nursing tradition and one foot in the medical world. I practice as a medical provider in my facility, but I am very connected to our nursing staff and very interested in figuring out how we collaboratively across nursing and medicine, serve these patients. Because these patients require that. They need it,

00:08:33:04 - 00:09:11:01
Heidi Bray, DNP
they need us all to bring our best game forward. So I have approached this problem to date a couple of ways within the AHA collaborative work. First is that we decided to focus at the bedside, which is we have a number of passionate clinicians, providers, prescribers in our facility who are open to and engaged with this patient population and work diligently to transition patients to MAT while they're in the hospital. We have bedside nurses who have relative inexperience with these medications.

00:09:11:01 - 00:09:51:10
Heidi Bray, DNP
And so what I have found is that I can work together with a patient to develop an induction plan that's fairly complex. Sometimes getting patients off of the medications we've been managing pain with in the hospital and transitioning them successfully to, for instance, sublingual Suboxone is a fairly complicated several day process. I can put all those orders into our EMR and then find that the bedside nurse is really perplexed by this medication, perplexed by this process, perplexed by cross tapers and taper plans, and coming off of when do I give the opioid?

00:09:51:10 - 00:10:19:00
Heidi Bray, DNP
When do I give this the Suboxone? And even more importantly, how do I educate a patient who's never taken a sublingual medication? I'm handing them this strip. What do I do? After innumerable opportunities to do one on one coaching with bedside nurses, I realized we need to just do a house wide education. Identified a RN in our facility who is working on her master's in nursing and education, and she was seeking a clinical project and education project.

00:10:19:00 - 00:10:44:08
Heidi Bray, DNP
And so we've partnered together to develop some teaching tip sheet for our bedside nurses that we are rolling out with a presentation to our nurse educators across the facility, and it will be reaching every nurse at the bedside with just some specific clinical information and how to administer sublingual Suboxone as a place to start, as buprenorphine, as a place to start.

00:10:44:08 - 00:11:14:15
Heidi Bray, DNP
And I'm hoping what this will do, because in my experience, this is what happens, is you put out some clinical pearls, some tidbits, and it really starts a larger conversation about, wow, we have a tool that we can use. And so how does this tool start a conversation not only with nursing but with patients starts that dialog around teaching and coaching, gives nursing bedside nurses the confidence to have that conversation.

00:11:14:15 - 00:11:37:04
Heidi Bray, DNP
And then also, I hope, will help our biggest cohort of providers in the hospital, the bedside nurse, as they see this strategy work with their patients. I'm hoping they will also push hospitalists and family medicine providers who may be a little reluctant, or maybe hadn't thought to address this issue with the patient.

00:11:37:04 - 00:11:59:12
Jordan Steiger
I love that you're bringing in learners. I love that you're creating advocates across your organization through, you know, nursing, you know, staff at the bedside seeing that this works and seeing that it helps patients. I think these are all amazing examples. And I think, you know, creating the learning materials that you mentioned is a great example for others on listening to this podcast.

00:11:59:12 - 00:12:28:08
Heidi Bray, DNP
And it's fun to work with learners in this space because when in this case, even better, because it's a learner who I also work alongside in the care of patients. And she and I had actually cared for a patient with opioid use disorder. She is an orthopedic nurse on her floor. And so I think that piqued her interest when she saw the shift in the therapeutic relationship with this patient.

00:12:28:08 - 00:12:58:03
Heidi Bray, DNP
When we were able to step away from the angst around, when is my next oxycodone dose, to oh, I've actually feeling pretty good on this, on this buprenorphine and wow, all of a sudden it extracts the angst and the time clock watching and the sort of edginess of that relationship that can develop between the bedside nurse and the patient, who has legitimate pain and substance use disorder.

00:12:58:03 - 00:13:30:24
Heidi Bray, DNP
And if you remove that, that discomfort, that conflict around the PRN opioid dose and replace it successfully with scheduled MAT, you open up space for the real therapeutic work that nurses want to do. They want to talk to their patient about how to adapt to the injury that they had, or the surgery they just had. Those are the things that everybody thought they were getting into bedside acute care nursing to do.

00:13:30:25 - 00:13:54:19
Heidi Bray, DNP
It really lights fires when they see the restorative nature of creating space for those conversations with their patients, and just an honest conversation about substance use disorder. I mean, this is a cohort of patients that they come to us, not trusting us. And yet when you build a little bit of trust and open the door, they'll teach you all kinds of things.

00:13:54:21 - 00:13:56:18
Heidi Bray, DNP
You learn about your community. And, you

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Heidi Bray
know, we live

00:13:58:03 - 00:13:58:28
Heidi Bray
and work

00:13:59:00 - 00:14:29:09
Heidi Bray, DNP
in this community. And we have found a way to put our blinders on as we, you know, drive through town to the suffering that happens in our sidewalks and our forests where many are living. I think to come to understand that and open the door to understanding it with the patients we care for at the hospital, is really enriching and important for both sides of that relationship.

00:14:29:09 - 00:14:44:13
Heidi Bray, DNP
We need to understand their life better and they need to understand that we are kind and that we have something to offer to improve their wellness as a stepping stone to potentially improving their overall circumstances.

00:14:44:20 - 00:15:01:09
Jordan Steiger
As you were talking, even before you said it, the first word that was coming to my mind is trust. And trust is going to help those patients know that we have their best interest in mind, and we're going to send them to the next level of care and keep them going on a path that's good, that is going to help them get to their goals.

00:15:01:15 - 00:15:11:27
Jordan Steiger
I think that is a great place to end this conversation. And I just want to say thank you so much for being here and really bringing this topic to life for our listeners in a different way.

00:15:12:00 - 00:15:21:07
Heidi Bray, DNP
Of course. Jordan, my pleasure. It is, um, this is the most gratifying patient population to take care of, I think.

00:15:21:09 - 00:15:30:02
Tom Haederle
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00:00:00:03 - 00:00:18:25
Tom Haederle
Welcome to Advancing Health. Programs to transform and improve health outcomes can work well as standalones. But as we hear in this podcast, they make an even bigger difference by connecting clinical care with community based strategies to create a coordinated ecosystem.

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Julia Resnick
In health care, there is no shortage of innovative programs, but scaling them into a coordinated, system wide approach is a different challenge entirely. I'm Julia Resnick, senior director of health outcomes and care transformation at the American Hospital Association, and this is the Advancing Health podcast. Today, I'm talking with Ryane Jackson, vice president, Community Health Network for Memorial Hermann Health System in Houston, about what it takes to move from strong individual programs to a truly coordinated, systemwide approach, one that centers community and the strategy, integrates social drivers of health and brings patients and partners into the work as co-designers. We'll explore how they're structuring teams and partnerships, measuring progress, and rethinking what care can look

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Julia Resnick
like when it's built with and for the communities they serve. Ryane, thanks so much for being here with me today.

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Ryane Jackson
Great. Happy to be here.

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Julia Resnick
So I know that Memorial Hermann places a lot of emphasis on being community owned, including the community in every step of the strategy. Why is that so essential to your systems approach, and how does it really influence the way you think about care and delivery and community engagement?

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Ryane Jackson
Yeah, that's a great question. And so just a little bit of background, I've been with Memorial Hermann now for soon to be two years. And you know what I think is really unique about being in this healthcare system is that we do tout ourselves as community owned. And I think that is critical, I'd say, to our approach. Community owned means that we're not just providing programming or programs or working to address their needs from the seat we sit in from a healthcare perspective.

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Ryane Jackson
But we're letting the voice of our community, the voice of our experts in the community, actually guide and shape our strategy so that whatever it is that we are providing to them, whether it's financial investments, whether it's very strategic programing designed to address, you know, healthcare access disparities or economic disparities, we know that it is being built from the community's voice.

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Ryane Jackson
And hopefully I answered your question. I know there was a second piece to that.

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Julia Resnick
You did. And I want to get into that, like how you get community voice in that sense of ownership, like what are the mechanisms for engaging communities and hearing those voices and then translating them into programing?

00:02:32:02 - 00:02:54:25
Ryane Jackson
Awesome. So this won't be a surprise. You probably would get this answer from a lot of other healthcare systems in our country, but we do start from the place of our community health needs assessment. So we do conduct our assessment once every three years, and then we do annual refreshment of that assessment just to make sure that, you know, we're staying on top of the shifting landscape of our environment, especially in today's times.

00:02:54:25 - 00:03:19:08
Ryane Jackson
So the community health needs assessment for those who may not be familiar, but I imagine if they're listening to this podcast, they're very familiar just by default. But the community health needs assessment, really in order to produce one that is worth its weight in anything, you have to talk to the community. And so we really lean into the community survey aspect of the development of that CHNA.

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Ryane Jackson
We distribute the survey electronically, but we also provide it in person. We've been able to really leverage our thoughtful community partnerships with local nonprofit organizations, and they've allowed us to physically come in with our community health workers, with some of our own employees who may be nurses or sitting in other roles across the system. We're asking people things not only how old are you and what zip code do you live in, but we're wanting to understand your household income, you know, have you, you know, in the last few months not been able to afford your food?

00:03:55:24 - 00:04:20:18
Ryane Jackson
What are you worried about? We're asking about mental health. We've even have asked about have you given birth recently and were there complications? So I say all that to say, the survey is very detailed and really gives us a strong picture. Then from the community voice perspective, when I talked about that, in addition to the survey, we bring in those public health and leaders of these organizations to weigh in as well.

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Ryane Jackson
They are what we consider from a healthcare system perspective, frontline. Healthcare is the front line, right? They think of us for the front line. But these nonprofit organizations who are working directly with our community, especially those who are most vulnerable, they are the front line. So listening to the experts leading those organizations also complements that individualized, authentic voice for getting through the survey and help shape, you know, where we're going to go for the next three years and beyond.

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Julia Resnick
That's great. And so I imagine as you're coming up with your priorities from your CHNA, a lot of those health needs are parallel to the health needs that are seen in the clinical side. So how do you think about connecting clinical strategies around those with community strategies to really maximize the impact that your work can have?

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Ryane Jackson
Great question. So going back to the voice of the community, and then I'll show you how it links back to our clinical approach to the work. You know, in that community survey, in those interviews, you know we're learning also, you know, what are some of the healthcare conditions that you have been diagnosed with that you are dealing with currently?

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Ryane Jackson
And then we match that up with secondary data that helps us determine. It looks like a lot of our community are dealing with obesity, which is a major, major issue in the country, but definitely here in Houston as well. We're one of the cities that definitely is not known for walkability compared to some of the other cities, I mean, you cannot get anywhere, barely anywhere without a car.

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Ryane Jackson
So if you're dealing with obesity and we're also learning that people are dealing with diabetes and heart conditions. We then crosswalk that to see, well, how is that translating in our hospital walls? Some people don't like when we talk about this, especially in the space of community health and community benefit, where we often like to lean into, we want to help the most vulnerable, which we do, but there is a clinical and a operations aspect to it.

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Ryane Jackson
So we crosswalk what the community has said from a healthcare perspective: we're diabetic, obesity, mental health issues, and we try to see are we seeing the same type of conditions in our hospital walls, starting with our E.R.? Because I think most people can agree, one of the most utilized aspects of a healthcare system is their emergency department or their emergency room.

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Ryane Jackson
We look to see, are we seeing a lot of people coming in for these similar or related conditions? How does that translate to our readmission rates? Are they coming in for things that we think are preventable or could be managed, you know, outside of the E.R. setting, or are they coming in for very serious things that, you know, by nature of the condition, there's not very much you can do about it.

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Ryane Jackson
Like, you know, I think about, like, cancer, you know, and a few other things. When we're able to validate or if we're able to validate that, what we're seeing in our hospital data also corresponds with what the community is saying they're dealing with, and then all the surrounding, what we call non-medical factors. When you match it up with all the non-medical drivers, you know, it helps us tell the full story and helps us determine where we actually want to focus our resources.

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Ryane Jackson
And those resources come in a variety of ways: financial resources, programmatic resources, among other things.

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Julia Resnick
So what are those priorities that you're focusing on?

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Ryane Jackson
So from us being able to crosswalk, you know, what we're seeing within our hospital walls and specifically looking at our ER data, our readmissions, and coupling it with our findings from our community health needs assessment, the voice of the community - we actually have determined that we have the greatest opportunity to improve outcomes related to five key disease states. Hypertension, obesity, diabetes, cardiovascular disease, and then maternal and infant health related conditions.

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Julia Resnick
So you have these priorities. They impact your community health programing. How do you connect them with the clinical programing? Because like you could be doing the best work in the world in diabetes in the community, but if they're not getting clinical care, they'll deteriorate and vice versa. They could be getting great diabetes care, but if they don't have access to healthy food, there's nowhere to walk, like they don't have the environment to make them healthy.

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Julia Resnick
It's only half of the puzzle. How do you really like connect those two sides together? Because I think a lot of health systems struggle with that.

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Ryane Jackson
That's a great question. So, you know, it's always a work in progress.

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Ryane Jackson
But I think that we're

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Ryane Jackson
doing and we're making

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Ryane Jackson
some really good strides, I'd say, in

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Ryane Jackson
creating what

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Ryane Jackson
I like to call this ecosystem of care. So Memorial Hermann, I'd say we're somewhat unique in our approach to trying to do exactly that. How do you address and prevent some of the chronic conditions that we're seeing in our community, while also addressing some of those non-medical drivers that may have actually led to those conditions coming about? And so I'd say our approach is 2 to 3 layers of it.

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Ryane Jackson
One, we really lean into screening for non-medical drivers of health. We have more than 40 to almost 50 community health workers across the community health division, who are strategically placed throughout our traditional community benefit programing. But more recently, we have created a community health worker hub, which acts essentially as a form of air traffic control, but also a safety net to ensure that every single patient who walks through our hospital doors is screened for at least one non-medical driver of health. Something, or I'd say, a misconception for some people when it comes to non-medical drivers or social drivers

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Ryane Jackson
for everybody else, they associate them more with the underserved, the uninsured. But all of us, regardless of your race, your gender, your sexual orientation, we all have them. It's just a matter of how are they showing up in our lives. So we have a community health worker hub that we started just at the end of last year, at the end of 2025, and they served two purposes.

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Ryane Jackson
One, as I said, every patient who enters our hospital, we want to make sure is screened for at least one non-medical driver. If they are discharged from our hospital before our community health workers can get to them to do that screening - because they're the ones who do it. In the E.R. setting and inpatient - that patient receives a follow up call from our community health workers that are positioned in this hub.

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Ryane Jackson
That one, hope your stay was good, which I know is weird for hospital, but also we're doing it so we can capture those non-medical drivers. Specifically, we lean into asking questions about food, housing, utility assistance, transportation, and then after those four, it just really depends on the direction the conversation goes. So that won't be new for anybody in the space.

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Ryane Jackson
So we capture the non-medical drivers on that side. And then of course we're doing it directly when in front of the patient. So first, once we understand what is negatively impacting our patients from that regard, we then are able to make the appropriate referrals. Sometimes those referrals go out to external nonprofit organizations who are best equipped to address things like food insecurity or housing based on where the patient lives.

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Ryane Jackson
But where I think Memorial Hermann gets unique is we have a lot of our own in-house programing that we're able to refer these patients to. You will probably hear often with different health care systems they're screening and then they're referring them out to nonprofits. And we want to reduce readmissions. So you got to get them out your hospital and get them locked in somewhere else.

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Ryane Jackson
That is not our approach. We genuinely, authentically are trying to help get them established in the best place possible. So we will refer them out to other organizations who have the ability to serve them in their community. But what I like about our system is that we have charity clinics that we operate. So sometimes those referrals, especially if it's an uninsured or Medicaid patient, that referral will go right there to our neighborhood health centers, which are charitable clinics that cater to that population, where we can provide not only primary care but have started to expand to provide more specialty care.

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Ryane Jackson
Very recently, we just hired our very first endocrinologist, speaking about diabetes, who's dedicated to our neighborhood health centers. And so that is our approach to making sure that we can truly provide that diabetic care in-house for these patients, and then layering on the non-medical driver piece that we also have already come to understand that they are food insecure.

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Ryane Jackson
We also operate in-house food pantries. We have what we call community resource centers. Their whole focus is addressing those non-medical drivers that we uncover in our populations. They can do anything from helping people sign up for SNAP, which our CHWs will sit there with them in person or telephonically and help them fill out that application and get it submitted

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Ryane Jackson
because it can be a complicated process. Language barriers can sometimes be an issue, so our CHWs come into play there. All the things. We help them sign up for Medicaid if we determine that they're eligible for Medicaid, and they just haven't taken the steps to sign up or didn't know they were eligible. Utility assistance. But then also within our community resource centers, in addition to those eligibility applications, we have food pantries.

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Ryane Jackson
So when our patients are screened as food insecure and need emergency food, we have the ability to right there in our pantry address that need. If they're housing unstable, we have the ability to get them do a warm connection to the organizations in our community who can help address those things. Beyond the community resource centers which are our main mecca, you know, of addressing non-medical drivers in our CHW hub

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Ryane Jackson
that's uncovering them. As I said, we've had our neighborhood health centers that creates that clinical care piece. And then I want to take it back to our other priority area I mentioned. So diabetes is one. And then our NHC address hypertension and the others.

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Julia Resnick
Yeah you have so much incredible work going on that is so mindful about like making those connections and making care available where people are so they can get the services they need to be healthy. I know this is complex and long term work, and it's not going to solve all of the issues today or tomorrow. But as you're looking towards the future, like where do you see this going and what would Houston look like in five years if this work was having the impact you wanted it to?

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Ryane Jackson
It's hard to predict where we're going. I can tell you where I would love for us to be. And it's, you know, from a healthcare system perspective, all these things that I've talked about is truly a ecosystem where somebody comes in our hospital, we understand their non-medical driver needs, and then we're plugging them into their medical home at our neighborhood health center.

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Ryane Jackson
And then we learn that they're food insecure. So we get them locked into our food support programing, and then we figure out that they are unemployed. So then we link them into our workforce development efforts, which are also part of our investment. Like somebody who we can fully wrap around with the approach that we're taking from an economic side all the way to the direct care side, and then seeing that patient or person ultimately thrive.

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Ryane Jackson
And then hospitals' language, you say then, hey, and they didn't readmit, you know, you always take it back to that. The other part of me, though, where I would like to see things go, at least in this community, and I don't know fully what it's like in other communities, is I would like to see these large employers here in Houston, not just healthcare systems, but energy companies, higher education colleges, universities, oil and gas, which is very big here in Houston, hospitality, all these major employers in Houston, we are a major hub for business.

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Ryane Jackson
All of us coming together in recognizing that we all have a piece or a role to play in this. There are people who are utility, you know, or electricity insecure. They can't afford their electric bill and that has health implications. So you have those major utility and energy companies saying, okay, well, we're going to own this piece in collaboration with you so that we're not operating in a silo, but we're linking everything back to what the health care system is doing.

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Ryane Jackson
And then the universities are saying, we're going to own this education piece, and we're all working truly as a network. And I know that sounds very idealistic. It can be done. It's a collective social corporate agreement that everybody has to come to, and everyone's going to own a piece of it, rather than what I think we are starting to see, which can work too.

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Ryane Jackson
But we're starting to see, you know, different bodies try to take on all aspects. Like everything I described here in healthcare, it is our responsibility because we care about the health, like we are a healthcare system. We need people to be healthy, and if that means we have to help people with transportation, we're going to help on transportation.

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Ryane Jackson
If it means we're going to have to invest in affordable housing, we're going to do that. But if you step back, I believe this is our responsibility. But how much more effective could this work be if HUD said we have a agreement with the TMC, Texas Medical Center facilities and so healthcare systems, when you uncover somebody's housing insecure, we have a fast pass process to get that patient or that person, you know what they need.

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Ryane Jackson
I'm still working it out in a more succinct way to say it, but I would just say just this corporate convening where we all own our piece while working under the same objective and outcomes reporting to actually transform. We all have enough funding, you know, on some level to do something amazing. So that's my idealism on full display.

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Julia Resnick
I think the thread from all of these answers that it's all about the ecosystem. It's not just one program within the world of things that contribute to health. There are healthcare systems, there are social service agencies, there are community based organizations. There are other companies. Everyone has a part to play in creating healthier communities. So we're going to check back with you in five years and see how things are going.

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Ryane Jackson
Yeah, ask me in five years.

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Julia Resnick
Perfect. Well, thank you so much, Ryane. This has been fantastic and we look forward to hearing how this work continues to evolve and grow to serve the communities in Houston.

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Ryane Jackson
Awesome. Thank you so much for having me. I always like talking about all the work we're doing in our healthcare system. My passion, you know, for helping. And I will continue to push my ideal vision of this massive convening where we don't just talk about it because that's very common in our space, but we're actually acting on it.

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Julia Resnick
Love it. Thanks so much.

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Ryane Jackson
Thank you.

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Tom Haederle
Welcome to Advancing Health. A child's ability to thrive starts long before the first day of school. Early literacy and language development have the power to shape their lifelong health and well-being. That's why the experts we hear from today are encouraging pediatricians to make literacy screening part of routine care.

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Julia Resnick
Pediatric hospitals are increasingly looking beyond clinical care to support the longterm well-being of children, and literacy is emerging as a critical part of that work. I'm Julia Resnick, senior director of health outcomes and care transformation at the American Hospital Association, and this is the Advancing Health podcast. Today, I'm talking with Dr. Sara Bode, pediatrician and medical director of School Health, and Carneshia Edwards, lead of the Kindergarten Readiness program, both from Nationwide Children's Hospital in Columbus, Ohio.

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Julia Resnick
They're working at the intersection of healthcare and education, helping children and families build the foundation for success through literacy and school readiness programs, that extend beyond the hospital and into the community. So to get started, why is early childhood literacy so important for children's health and long-term outcomes? Sara, we'll start with you.

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Sara Bode, M.D.
Well, as pediatricians and working in the healthcare sector, we know that there are so many factors that affect whether kids thrive, grow up and are healthy, and their education is actually one of those most important determinants of if a child is going to thrive long term. And so we really care a lot about getting that start right off the bat.

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Sara Bode, M.D.
So we know that if kids start kindergarten with the skills they need ready to learn, they're much more likely to succeed in school. And if they start behind it can be very hard to catch up. So those early years are critical to make sure that they're getting those early literacy skills and that when they start, they're ready to go.

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Julia Resnick
Absolutely. And how did that connection lead Nationwide Children's to invest in literacy and kindergarten readiness?

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Sara Bode, M.D.
Well, one of the things that we found is that when you are coming to Children's or any pediatric practice, you're getting checkups every couple months when you're first born, and actually you come to the doctor 15 times for checkups before you start kindergarten. So at a healthcare clinic, we have really like frequent repeated, you know, meetings with these families.

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Sara Bode, M.D.
It's a trusted environment. And so we really want to make sure that we're addressing these early literacy skills as we have families come back. So it really is such a great place for us to address this, and traditionally, this has not been something that has been really looked at in the primary care clinic. We see if you walk on time, you talk on time, we check your development, but we've never really assessed reading skills.

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Sara Bode, M.D.
And so this is a new idea and an addition to kind of help make sure families have what they need.

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Julia Resnick
Yeah, this certainly is unique for children's hospitals, which is why we are so excited to talk to you. Carneshia, anything you want to add to that?

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Carneshia Edwards
I think Dr. Bode hit it right on the nail. But just to add, like we recognize that healthy children need both medical care and developmental support. Our main goal is to really help families feel supported, empowered, equipped to really help get their child ready for kindergarten.

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Julia Resnick
Amazing. And can you walk us through what those programs look like in practice?

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Carneshia Edwards
Absolutely. So we go into the primary cares, and we see children preschool-aged between the ages of three and five, and we go in right before the physician goes in at their well-check visit. And so we'll go in and do a literacy screening on the kiddos. The screening looks at early literacy, language, fine motor, school readiness skills.

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Carneshia Edwards
And so we use the book, The Reading House book to just really demonstrate for the families what they can do at home as well. And so after that screening is completed, we will connect the families to community resources. We're talking to them about their concerns. Every family receives a kit from us. And so we'll provide little things in the kits just to kind of help.

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Carneshia Edwards
We put scissors in there, fine-motor skills that they can work on. Every child receives an individualized literacy plan as well, and so we walk the family through things that they can do to work with the child at home.

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Sara Bode, M.D.
I mean this is really, it's a partnership. It's having this addressed in the primary care clinic really helps to show the importance of this, so those three components. It’s coming in doing the screener, and that screener's directly with the child. So it's an aha moment for the parents because our coordinators are specialists in early childhood development, and they're testing the children to see what they know.

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Sara Bode, M.D.
And parents have one of two reactions. Either the child starts answering all the questions and the parents sometimes say, “I didn't even know my child knew that. And it's amazing,” or sometimes they're saying to us, “Wow, I didn't understand I was supposed to be teaching my child that. Isn't that something they learn in kindergarten?” And that opens up the conversation for us to say no,

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Sara Bode, M.D.
there's a lot of early literacy skills you have prior to kindergarten. And so here's what those are. Once they finish that screening tool, then  just like Carneshia said, parents are their first teachers. So then they're giving them a bunch of materials, ideas, activities, kits, of what they can do at home, and then they're actually coordinating and connecting them to programs too.

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Sara Bode, M.D.
So, they work really hard to get them into preschool and other library programs, different resources they need. So it's a really comprehensive program.

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Julia Resnick
That's amazing. So when you detect that a kid is like a little far behind on their literacy, like what happens? How do you support them and their families so that they are ready for kindergarten?

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Carneshia Edwards
I feel like everyone learns different at different paces, at different rates. And so it's not to really stress the families out about the child necessarily being behind, but more so what we can do to help support them to make sure when they get into kindergarten, they know all the things that they need to know. And so really just providing the materials that they can use to help get them there is huge for us, especially when we have major concerns.

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Carneshia Edwards
I feel like we catch a lot of developmental delays when we're in the primary care setting too. And so really getting them connected to the resources is huge. So we make referrals for preschool. Special-needs preschool is a big one too. And just kind of going about those steps of making sure that they get enrolled into special-needs preschool.

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Carneshia Edwards
We also refer to SPARK program. That's a huge one for us, because they actually go out to the family's home and work with the child one-on-one in the house, which is very helpful for families. And so I think the resources is really the huge piece of getting families the help and the support that they need.

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Sara Bode, M.D.
And part of it is just working with the families to understand that, like, this is fun. Early learning is fun. So they're not sitting down completing hours of workbooks, right? So, you know, for example, we have these like, you know, magnetic letters that can go on the refrigerator. And so what are games they can play with their kid as they start to learn and understand, you know, letters, having that pencil with the grip they can use to start to think about how they doodle and trace things.

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Sara Bode, M.D.
So it's really empowering families to understand, here’s some things you can do at home and engage and play with your child. Not only are they learning those skills, but that time in relational attention between the caregiver and the child is so important. Families are busy, competing priorities. You know, we have a lot of electronics available for kids, which are really not the greatest, you know, forum for this age to learn from.

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Sara Bode, M.D.
So it's like turning that off, sitting down, playing together. And here's some ideas of how to do that, that’s going to support that home learning environment.

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Julia Resnick
Incredible. And just so important for the long-term health and well-being of kids. I'm sure there are barriers that have made this program hard to start or been challenging for the families that you work with. Are there any things that other hospitals should anticipate when they're thinking about integrating childhood literacy programs into their clinics?

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Sara Bode, M.D.
A couple things I'll say to start. One is that, you know, clinics and pediatricians have been doing developmental assessments and support for years. So sometimes people will say, well, we kind of already do this, right? We're checking on their development. We're talking to them about this. Why do we have to add an additional component? And one thing I will say is we did a lot of research before we started this, where we actually were assessing our own kids that were coming in and we were checking their developmental screening.

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Sara Bode, M.D.
We were seeing all the advice we were giving in clinics, and we were doing great. We were checking their development and they were doing well. And then we said, okay, you're so healthy. We talked to the family, you're doing a great job. And then what happened is we had all of those kids take a kindergarten assessment when they started kindergarten in the state of Ohio.

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Sara Bode, M.D.
And what we found is they were a majority of them failing the test. So to me, that was an aha for us that what we're currently doing isn't enough. We're not, we're making sure they're not behind, but we're not seeing if they're thriving. And that's a very big difference to be developmentally on track, but to be thriving, that's different with those early skills.

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Sara Bode, M.D.
And so I think one is just an awareness that this is important. The second thing I'll say is that anytime you talk to anyone in the healthcare setting about adding in something, whether that's a screening tool or a new component to the well-check, there's concern because families know this too, right? You go in and you have like eight minutes for your well-check and there's so much going on.

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Sara Bode, M.D.
But what we found, and the first thing we tested, was an ability to do this quickly with our coordinators. And so we did a feasibility study to say, can we do this at these checkups in the clinic without slowing things down? And we were able to find that, yes, we can when we're thoughtful about it. And so sharing that advice on how to incorporate it, how to get it done quickly so that it's not disrupting everything else you have to do, and then really the outcomes, it's just so worth the time and the investment for this.

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Carneshia Edwards
I would also add partnerships are essential with developing a program within the primary care settings too, like schools, libraries, early childhood programs, community organizations, like really knowing what's in the community that can really help serve the families, and being able to share that with the physicians because everybody's working together to help serve the family. A story pops in my mind as I'm talking about this. Being in the clinic,

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Carneshia Edwards
I had, shout out to Dr. Urs, he's a great physician. He's in the clinic, and a lot of times the physicians here, they actually have to really be sensitive to families because families are hearing for the very first time that their child may have a developmental delay, or there are some concerns. And a lot of times you might see families, especially moms, crying and very just devastated about the news.

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Carneshia Edwards
And so Dr. Urs, I was in there one time and he was in there and mom's crying. She’s just received bad news. Not necessarily bad news, but just hearing this for the first time that there's developmental concerns. Immediately he got the social worker involved. He got me involved to help with getting the child connected to special-needs preschool.

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Carneshia Edwards
And the social worker was also there to just kind of help with housing concerns because mom had like a lot of things on her plate, and he was just so sensitive to her. And just to see that, that does something for me because I think families need that support. And just to have everyone all together in the clinic working to help support that mom, she left, she actually left smiling.

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Carneshia Edwards
So I think that's a huge win, and I think physicians just knowing that you're giving this kind of news to families, just being sensitive to that, I think that's helpful being in the primary care setting, doing this kind of work too.

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Julia Resnick
Caring for kids just as much as you're caring for their parents.

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Carneshia Edwards
Absolutely.

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Julia Resnick
And giving the parents the tools to help their kids thrive. So how do you track the impact of these programs and like, what does that look like long term over a child's life?

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Sara Bode, M.D.
We are tracking outcomes. When we are connecting these kids to resources and they're seeing the coordinator, we’re taking a look at these kids and their eventual scores when they take that kindergarten entrance assessment, when they start school in the state of Ohio. And so we're really excited as we continue to follow this, because we want to make sure we're moving the needle.

00:13:08:20 - 00:13:36:24
Sara Bode, M.D.
And we got our first set of results back last year. So kids last November took that assessment by their kindergarten teacher. And what we found is if they had gone through our program, where they actually had a 10 to 25% increase in their literacy score for kids, that didn't. And so we're just really excited to continue to pull in those results and track it and really understand how are we doing with moving the needle and getting these kids ready, so.

00:13:36:24 - 00:13:52:19
Julia Resnick
That's incredible. And is there any data? And I know this hasn't been going on for 18 years, so it's hard to tell. But like, how these early childhood literacy interventions impact health as they become adolescents and adults.

00:13:52:21 - 00:14:21:26
Sara Bode, M.D.
There's quite a bit of literature to show a couple of things. One is when you start kindergarten ready to learn, and specifically with literacy skills, you're much more likely to by third grade, be a fluent reader. And what we know for kids, you learn to read initially, but then after third grade you have to read to learn. So at some point, every subject that you're learning, whether that's math or science, you need to be a fluent reader in order to process that information.

00:14:21:26 - 00:14:46:08
Sara Bode, M.D.
And so what we know for kids and even teenagers, if we can get that early literacy going so that then their fluent readers later, they are so much more successful in all of their academic ventures throughout school. And kids that can like complete high school and graduate are actually less likely to have a host of health conditions. It's even associated with, like the rate of heart disease in adults.

00:14:46:09 - 00:15:18:27
Sara Bode, M.D.
So if you are healthy and graduate high school, you're much more likely to meet your potential and be a healthy adult. You have better health behaviors, health literacy, less likely to have any of those chronic diseases we talk about like diabetes or heart disease. So this is very much linked to ultimate adult health outcomes. And so, you know, it's interesting to think about this, but we tell this to parents, if you can sit with your child and do these fun activities now, they might be less likely to have a heart attack in their 50s.

00:15:18:28 - 00:15:21:22
Sara Bode, M.D.
I mean, it is totally linked.

00:15:21:25 - 00:15:26:25
Julia Resnick
Talk about return on investment. Read fun books with your kids. They don't have a heart attack.

00:15:27:01 - 00:15:42:28
Sara Bode, M.D.
Exactly. Keeping kids healthy and really meeting their potential learning. It just has huge ramifications for us. And that's what we're all about in pediatrics, it's all about prevention. And so this is what we want to kind of work on with our families when they're coming into the office.

00:15:43:01 - 00:15:59:01
Julia Resnick
That is the whole point. And Dr. Bode, Carneshia, thank you so much for sharing this and for all the work that you're doing to help parents and kids in your community thrive. It's just really incredible work that you're doing. I'm inspired. I'm sure our listeners will be inspired as well. So thank you both.

00:15:59:06 - 00:16:00:03
Carneshia Edwards
Absolutely.

00:16:00:06 - 00:16:02:04
Sara Bode, M.D.
Thanks for having us.

00:16:02:07 - 00:16:10:28
Tom Haederle
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